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Tuesday, 22 October, 2002, 08:00 GMT 09:00 UK
Worst Pakistan side ever?
Pakistan slump to an innings defeat in Sharjah as they lose the Test series against Australia 3-0.
What has happened to Pakistan? And where do they go from here?
Pakistan crashed to defeat by an innings and 198 runs in the second Test after following their 59 with a pitiful 53.
It was the 19th lowest ever total in Tests and Pakistan's aggregate 112 is the fourth lowest.
And Pakistan suffered the humiliation of a 3-0 series whitewash by Australia as they suffered an innings defeat in the final Test.
What now for Pakistan?
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Pathetic. I have seen enough....anyone want tickets to next year's World Cup in South Africa?!
The whole cricket world knows that Pakistan are potentially the greatest cricket team alive.
Where from here? I guess straight to practice batting before they get kicked out of test matches.
Pakistan are such an unpredictable side that all these defeats bode ominous signs for the World Cup. Class is permanent, form is temporary.
This is not the worst Pakistan team ever - they have too much talent for that to be true. On top of that, they are only one of half a dozen countries who have been 'swept' by the Australians in the last two or three years.
Not many people realise that the Pakistan team's greatest fan base is in India. Players like Akram have more Indian fans than any other. Because of that, the current poor form of Pakistan has saddened many Indian cricket fans.
I think that there is simply too much going on in Pakistani cricket that does not meet the eye. Why were Anwar and Akram not in the team? Was Inzy really injured? What about Youhana? Where was Hasan Raza all these years?
Also, I think that some of the Pakistani talent is seriously overrated. Folks like Saqlain and Akhtar have never really lived up to their hype in Test matches.
The worst thing for the PCB would be to succumb to player pressure, but it is a dilemma for Waqar. He probably would be better off if he steps down from captaincy voluntarily as he has lost the confidence of most of the players.
Another blunder the PCB can commit would be to write-off the youngsters from the current team. There is some geat talent there in the likes of Imran Nazir, Taufiq Umar, Faisal Iqbal, etc. Hassan Raza has probably earned himself a place in the team for the next series on the strength of his heroics in the last Test of the current series.
Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Malik should be regulars in the team, if not for anything else than their team spirit. Shahid has always paid back the trust put him in if not with his batting, then with his bowling and excellent fielding. It is time now that Shoaib Malik is groomed for his future role in Pakistan cricket.
What Pakistan badly need right now is to have Javed Miandad back as the national coach. These youngsters are apparently the best available right now so please stick with them. Enough of chopping and changing.
What they need is a good coach who speaks their language and knows a lot about the art of batting. Look at the likes of Yousuf Youhana and Shahid Afridri who really did extremely well under his guidance.
Given all the excuses about this being a Pakistan 'B' team, let's see how England do. Given their injury list, they too will be fielding a 'B' team.
Pakistan were beaten by one of the all-time great cricket sides. Australia whitewashed India, Pakistan, West Indies and New Zealand during their recent 16 straight Test victories. They beat England 4-1 and humbled South Africa. They can't all be the "worst team ever".
I think everyone is being a bit harsh. To be missing the likes of Inzy and Youhana makes it very difficult. The team is full of young players who will perhaps, one day, leave Australia in their wake. Everyone has their losing streaks but, like all the others, Pakistan will be back.
Firstly, I think it's unfair to blame Wasim and Anwar. It's almost hypocritical! Secondly, get rid of the coach and selectors.
How can people start saying that Pakistan are not what they used to be? They had a young team and not enough experience. I wonder what the outcome would have been if another team like England had put their 'B team' out against a strong Australian side.
Pakistan will get things right on the Zimbabwe tour and they will have a strong batting line up with Saeed Anwar and a explosive bowling attack which will welcome the return of Wasim Akram.
Pakistan are a disgrace to themselves. They seriously need to improve if they are to stand a chance in the World Cup.
I have followed Pakistan for many, many years. As ever, they will find the usual scapegoats without tackling the root cause of the problem which is that Pakistan promotes individual raw talent but doesn't instil professionalism, consistency of effort, mental toughness & confidence, occupation of the crease in order to build an innings, playing to a game plan, etc, in their players' minds.
Pakistan's batting has been spineless since the end of the NZ tour this year. Against Australia, this was compounded by the absence of players such as Saeed Anwar and Wasim Akram who chose not to play (not through injury) but in order to avoid the humiliation of defeat by Australia at the twilight of their careers.
Inzamam's injuries are never free of suspicion and the disciplining of Youhana was dramatic overkill. And dropping Shahid Afridi? Where was the sense in that? The constant changes in the batting order have not helped either.
Can Pakistan bounce back? No doubt they will, but not strongly enough nor quickly enough to worry the bookmakers before the next World Cup...
Pakistan are the most talented team in the world, but we have a self destructive persona that needs analysis. We should also get rid off all the senior players and get Miandad to coach the team.
How many teams in the world cricket can face Australians without their top four players? Imagine an Indian team facing Australia outside India without services of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and Kumble. Pakistan gave the Aussies a scare at Colombo. They will rise once again and prove that their 2-1 win over Australia in Australia in June 2002 was not a fluke.
Ever since Waqar was made captain of the Pakistan team, I have felt unhappy with the team. I am not happy with his selection because he doesn't take sudden decisions. He doesn't have the sense to change policy during the match.
They are not the worst Pakistan team ever. Rather, it is the case that this is the greatest Australian team ever. However having said that, Pakistan do tend to act like brats when things are going against them, and their poor performances against Australia are probably partly due to their defeatist attitude when the chips are down.
They did not have a lot of regular players in their team, but on this pathetic performance the Pakistan team should be relegated to a second tier of cricketing nations and earn the right to play Tests against the stronger teams.
People will lose interest in cricket if these one sided series continue.
Pakistan were missing a number of senior players but you have got to have more than 11 half decent players to compete at the international level. Most of their batsmen were out due to irrational shot-selection and the only relatively experienced batsmen (Yonus Khan) seemed completely out of form.
However, I think Pakistan should stick with the youngsters for the tours to Zimbabwe & South Africa to give them much needed experience. Some lessons in self restraint may also help! Well done to Australia for another professional exhibition.
It's not fair to say that this is the worst Pakistan side ever just because they lost this Test series 3-0 to Australia. Most sides would currently come out with the same result!
People are forgetting a vital point here - this wasn't the first choice Pkistani side. Without Inzie, Youhana and Afridi (for the first two Tests) the second string batsmen were sent out there. Any team that loses their entire first choice batting line up will suffer against the best bowling line up in the world.
At least the kids showed spirit in the first match and obviously not playing at home didn't help. In the last six months we've had to play in Pakistan, Kenya, Morocco, Sharjah (three times) and Sri Lanka. It doesn't help when all these factors are combined at the same time. Stop criticising the team and give the kids a chance.
In a couple of years these same players will make Pakistan a force to be reckoned with. And in Shoaib, Waqar and Saqlain we have the best bowling attack along with the Aussies. These three could walk into any other team without any problems. Good luck for the future lads!
I'm glad the agony's over! At least we know where we stand! Saying that, I'm sure the side will be a different one with the big guns back soon (hopefully!). This was in effect a 'B' side. No side can have such an inexperienced line-up and hope to compete against arguably the most professional side in world cricket. I hope the young guys (and the PCB - Mr. Chairman of Selectors, what were you thinking?) will have learnt something from the series.
Akram and Anwar are either playing politics due to the venue shift or they have chosen to let their team down, big time. The younger Pakistani players have endured trial by fire and have a right to feel a little let down. Hasan Raza looks to have a bright future.
The Aussies will be delighted to get home to their families and friends, and perhaps - sadly, get a real sense of the impact of recent events here. To say that it will add a little more of the' pride factor' to their Ashes campaign may be an understatement.
Pakistan have a huge fluctuation in performance, from brilliant to pathetic. This is an outcome of over reliance on "raw talent". The important attributes of great teams are discipline, hard work, character, attitude, something that Pakistan haven't had except during the time of Imran Khan.
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